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This is to bring to your attention this astounding problem that sits at each of our own very back doors. One does not begin to recognize this sort thing is common in America until IT HAPPENS TO YOU.

Once your family becomes the victim of this sickness that apparently travails our nation, once you’ve witnessed your family’s destruction, for no reason , when your whole being is rendered powerless and your struck with the inability to function, if you finally manage to crawl back up, just a little bit, and start searching for some answer, for some explanation, for some form, any form, of help that might be available then you find these web sites

My reaction to this is MY GOD, why is it necessary for these organizations to exist in America, the Land of the Free. where politicians cite their devotion to the Sanctity of the American Family? If this is so common, so well known about, why doesn’t our government take a stand against it, instead of not only allowing it to happen, but being the actual fuel and force for this sickness, that allows it to exist and continue?

Here I thought we were all snug and secure. I had certainly worked hard enough for 30 years to ensure that my family would not have to work as hard as I did. My husband and I both worked two jobs while raising our grandchildren. I decided that these children’s fathers should help us out and I worked for 5 years to make that happen. I can tell you, the dads did not appreciate that one bit. Had I known then what would happen because of that, I would have worked a bit harder and let those dads go free.

There finally came a time when I felt that with the dad’s help we were in a position to allow Mom a chance at raising her children. We could afford a small place for them to live together as a family. When Guilford County Child Support Enforcement ,(Greensboro North Carolina) became aware of the new arrangement, they immediately stepped in and offered Mom a government check in exchange for her child support through their Work First Program..

It’s called an AFDC check (aid for families with dependant children)(some refer to it as welfare) I voiced my objections over and over, even got a court order. Still they confiscated the support and gave Mom the check. The check was less than 1/3 of the support she was receiving from the dads. I can tell you , I went round and round with those people, but it was of course to no avail. I asked where the remaining $700 a month was and was told that was forfeited when she accepted the check. I immediately begin contacting all our government officials. None of them responded (except the Governor’s office to say it was being done correctly).

This had to be a mistake. I filed a complaint and found myself in court, arguing my point against Deputy Attorney General Gerald Robbins,  I stood not a chance against that experience. I am neither a lawyer nor a politician. I lost the case on a technicality, not because I was wrong but because as Judge Sammie Chess explained, I was in the wrong place to be addressing this matter. He proceeded to tell me I needed to file a motion in Guilford County District court.

Deputy Attorney General Gerald Robbins, objected “Your honor, this is a court of law and you are babysitting this woman.

Judge Sammie Chess, said yes, Mr. Robbins, but it’s my court, and she’s right and you know it.

Judge Sammie Chess told me.. Ms. L, the State of North Carolina has a conscience. You are correct when you call it a mistake. The State of North Carolina does not want to be taking these children’s money and if you make them aware of this, they will want to correct it.

I am thinking, is Deputy Attorney General Gerald Robbins NOT representative of the State of North Carolina?
Deputy Attorney General Gerald Robbins used the Federal Law that mandates child support distribution to present his defense.
He read this which I will quote from the copy he gave me..
“Distribution of collected support..: (1) In the case of a family receiving assistance from the state, the state shall pay the Federal Government the Federal share collected: and retain or distribute to the family, the State share.

He did not read the next line, “In no event shall the total of the amounts paid to the Federal Government and retained by the state exceed the total amounts that have been paid to the family as assistance by the State” and it goes on..

Now, as I said, I am not a lawyer, but what I read there is you take the money back you gave the family and give them the change. But that’s not how he read it. That’s not how they interpreted that law. During this debate in this courtroom, this man said to me, “You don’t even have two of these children right now do you Ms.L.?” I said no, not right now.” He said but that’s only temporary, isn’t it Ms. L.” I said yes,it is only temporary” He smirked and said, “Of course it is Ms. L. of course it is.” My head was reeling, surely this man was not threatening me? surely Deputy Attorney General Gerald Robbins was not threatening my family because I brought this matter up?.

As it was, I had opened a door that had been closed for thirty years. I had very reluctantly allowed the children to visit their biological grandfather. The oldest, the girl was 12 years old. He had never had anything to do with them. Now he was back, stating he had changed, I spoke with his wife who supported (and still does) everything he said.
I had legal custody; if the visit did not work out I could just go get them. In less than a week after I allowed the visit, I was served with a court order granting him custody of the two boys, I could have the girl back, he did not want her.

Now here I sit and hear this “threat” as I took it to be, coming at me from this obviously powerful and influential man. I could barely utter my closing argument.

I told Judge Sammie Chess my head was spinning and he told me to take a break and try again.
I’ve been called tenacious, but I found myself backing up, there was too much at stake here, but no, come on girl, Deputy Attorney General Gerald Robbins could not possibly be involved in my personal custody battle.

The boys have been gone four years now. They tell me things that wrench my gut and rip my heart to shreds. Their mother, already emotionally challenged has been destroyed emotionally by this, so has their sister. The boys are 13 and 14 now. Their fathers have been relieved completely of their child support obligation, I feel sure in exchange for their testimony in court. The boys beg me to help them, please grandma, please grandma, please. They have asked the GAL Attorney Kathryn Lindley and Judge Teresa Vincent to let them come home. Judge Teresa Vincent has ordered their grandpa and his wife to stop being naked around the boys. They have been ordered to stop sleeping naked with boys and to stop touching the boys buttocks and their testicles.

Judge Teresa Vincent has advised them that one of them needs to try to remain sober in case the house catches on fire. Judge Teresa Vincent has warned me not to speak of these matters with the boys again or I will lose all visitation. Judge Teresa Vincent ordered me to pay Grandpa’s attorney fees.

Judge Teresa Vincent  ordered me to pay additional monies to Attorney Kathryn Lindley above the $3000 I had already paid her. I had sent Attorney Kathryn Lindley in writing, a letter that I did not wish to pay her any more, because of the astounding inaccuracies and obvious prejudice she displayed in her reporting. The letter in writing meant nothing to Judge Teresa Vincent, she ordered me to pay Attorney Kathryn Lindley more despite the steps I had taken to relieve myself of that burden.

Judge Teresa Vincent told the emotionally challenged Mom..”JL you will never have your children again.”

I am recovering from my nervous breakdown. I work for a wonderful company who takes care of it’s employees and they helped me hang on, so I still have my job and a second job to try to pay off the $20,000 I spent trying to keep my family intact.

I typed in a google search”does anybody really care about these children?” and several websites popped up. I know ..strange…it had to be God

Then from there, I found others. This kind of injustice is everywhere. Tearing families apart and allowing child suffering for no reason.

I was not glad to know I have company in this agony. It saddened me deeply. It shocked me. It terrifies me.

I don’t know what God is doing here, I don’t know what he wants me to do, and I become so compelled to do something to make the public aware. I have written all the politicians I can think of. No response of course.

 I have written to Oprah, and the kids wrote to Montel. I have written to the press. I guess this is small fry or no one wants to open that issue about, WHERE IS THOSE CHILDREN’S MONEY and how many other children has this happened to? The custody, the abuse and the child support issue.

Now I hear accusations on the television and radio about Sarah Palin possibly “Obstructing Justice” interfering in State Affairs involving her family. Making things “happen a certain way” and it cements in the question no one will answer …

Did Deputy Attorney General Gerald Robbins manage to carry out that subtle threat and somehow obstruct justice in this child custody case? Is that what Attorney Cindy Hatfield meant when she said I had been railroaded?

 
 
 
 
 

 

 



Jobo1163’s Blog Of Blogs

Seems lots of folks have been doing internet searches on Guardian Ad Litem in Guilford County North Carolina

I have lots to say about that…I have already written all this somewhere…but in the interest of preservation and easy locating I am going to copy it all in this blog

Be sure to look to the left for any links I may have added

Most of this is my responses to letters to the Editor-Greensboro News & Record-Greensboro North Carolina about the injustices and judicial corruption that I believe exists in Guilford County North Carolina Courts

We’ve heard of Water-Gate, now we’re hearing about Trooper-Gate….

mmmm..what name should this possible gate be given? 

Is there a Railroading-Gate in Guilford County North Carolina? 

Reading and hearing about Sarah Palin’s alleged role in bending the ears of those who were in a position to make things  better for her and those she wanted “looked after” has cemented my belief that something was seriously amiss in our child custody case in Guilford County North Carolina.

For the first time I will ask straight up..

Did Deputy Attorney General Gerald Robbins bend the ears of those in Judicial power at Guilford County Courthouse and is that why the most unheard of things went on in this case?

I want a federal investigation to answer this question.

that story will be added to this blog…at the beginning, as soon as I  have time

Right Now the focus seems to on Guardian Ad Litems (GALs ) child advocates) in Guilford County North Carolina so I will start at the latter part of this blog . Today is September 4, 2008

 

http://blog.news-record.com/opinion/letters/archives/2007/12/turner_made_proper_call_in_set.shtml

In response to Janet Ward Black’s letter to the editor, December 11, 2007 , I replied…

jobo1163 [TypeKey Profile Page] said:

Well…. a commendation from the resident of the NC Bar should reassure us all…
I thought the only letters they wrote went something like this …
“this “legal professional” has not violated the rules of professional conduct to the extent that they should be disciplined.”
I’ve been waiting for this door to open and Janet Ward Black just opened it..thank-you maam!

Below are excerpts from an article I wrote..at that time I did not name names. I was scared to. Well I’m not scared anymore Guilford County has hurt our family about all they can. So here ya go…

The Judges are Judge Joe Turner and Judge Teresa Vincent
Attorney Kathryn S Lindley as Guardian Ad Litem (GAL )
Attorney T. Keith Black
Attorney Cindy Hatfield

The article below is from my experiences and reflects what my family encountered during our Child Custody Battle, for obvious reasons I will state that the comments below reflect my opinion, but I feel they are well founded.

From these experiences I have also concluded, that no amount of preparation, will prepare you for a Child Custody Battle in Guilford County NC
If you can avoid it, work it out, then do so, because what lies ahead may be worse than your worst nightmare…

Beware The Court Appointed Attorney Acting As Guardian Ad Litem

Beware Becoming Set Up In the Parental Alienation Syndrome Class
(it’s the card that’ll make you or destroy you if the other side can pull it off and in my opinion the judges have seen it so much, it is pretty much a given, whether it ever happened or not)
Be Aware That You Are Already Considered An Idiot That Is So Overwhelmed With
Bitterness And Animosity Over Whatever Happened Between You And Yours, That You Are Automatically Assumed To Be So Petty And Simple Minded That You Are Already
Condemned Guilty Of Playing Harmful Mind Games With Those Children Who You Love More Than Life.

Be Aware That The Courts And The Attorneys Associated With Family Court
Think They Have Seen It All And You Have Already Been Categorized Before
You Ever Took The Stand. You Are A Statistic And Part Of The General Consensus.

Be Aware That Family Court Judges Do Not Have To Follow The Law or honor your Civil Rights
(they may be supposed to, but what are you going to do if they don’t?)
(easier said than done, I can assure you.)

Never Let The Words BiPolar Be Associated With Any Member Of Your Family

My daughter was not in my opinion BiPolar, my daughter was a child -grown woman-who was overwhelmed with grief at being abandoned by her father that she just could not overcome it. It became her obsession, her passion, it consumed her. It has now destroyed her.

Judge Joe Turner found her guilty of playing her parents against each other. Betcha didn’t know that’s grounds for losing your kids to the father who abandoned you as a child and left you emotionally scarred for life.  (check it out myspace.com/jobo1163…watch the slideshow and hold your mouse over the pictures)
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Judge Joe Turner found me guilty of failing to recognize the need for the children to have a relationship with their biological grandfather. The oldest child was 10 years old, I had not seen the biological grandfather for 16 years and then only briefly. We parted 30 years ago. The judge assumed me guilty of parental alienation syndrome because this man did not have a relationship with his grandchildren. Hello.

My experience with this GAL-attorney  (Kathryn S Lindley) has left me paralyzed with a fear of our Judicial system beyond my wildest imaginations. The discovery that this person also holds a position on the board of directors for a local Mental Health Center sends shivers up my spine and compels me to warn anyone who might seek help there. That this person is also considered to be qualified to be a Child Advocate has probably already caused me to have a few mild heart attacks.”

(since the original writing I do believe I read somewhere that Attorney Kathryn Lindley has resigned her position with the Guilford Mental Health Center…)  can’t help wondering what brought that about…

this is what I have concluded, from the response to my complaints to the boards who review complaints of this type

it’s OK for Judges to say “You women just can’t…”

It’s OK to discuss the “BiPolar” issues..just not in the courtroom, that is done in the Judge’s chambers. That way, they don’t violate your civil rights.

Prejudice against the emotionally challenged is acceptable -a Judge can kill an emotionally challenged with one statement -and that’s OK-Judge Teresa Vincent may as well have put a gun to this emotionally challenged mom’s head and pulled the trigger “You will never have your children again.”

It’s OK to smell children buttocks, rip the shower curtain back while they are bathing, fondle their testicles in the presence of two women (one age 18) as long as you stop when the Judge puts it in the court order and if you don’t have the money to pay your attorney fees, that’s OK too, because the judge will order the grandma who brought this matter up and embarrassed the court to pay them (Judge Teresa Vincent in this case)

It’s OK to hide out for 16 years and avoid you own child support, collect 6 DWIs, and a criminal record, tie your wife up with a chain and drag her down the driveway while her children watch and threaten to kill them if they try to run for help, if you wait 10 years after the last DWI the court will administratively dismiss that outstanding child support warrant and take those grandkids you’ve never had a thing to do with and give them to you. (Judge Joe Turner in this case)

It’s OK if your very twisted wife, (who was abandoned by her own parents and left to be raised in foster homes) it’s OK if she gets upset sometimes and beats the children with her fists, or shocks them with a dog collar or beats them with the dog collar antenna until it breaks into. You can’t hold against a person those occasional little losses of self- control, especially when she is married to a known batterer. She must unleash all her pent up anguish somewhere and those kids, those kids, that the court just gave them, that are costing them so much money that now she can’t get her teeth fixed and must compress her lips and try to speak so you don’t notice all the decay, those kids are the perfect target. (When the children are a bit older and able to leave, YOU WILL HAVE HER NAME and where she resides) along with the name of her grown daughter who watched this and did nothing to help these boys)

Its OK for your attorney to tell you before court that you have already been railroaded, then refuse to explain that, sending you into court so shook up you can’t even think straight.

Its OK for lawyers to fail to write court orders until 3 years later or not even to write them all, making things appear different than they are

It’s OK for lawyers to lie to their clients, to tell them they are not allowed to appeal and cost them their chance of doing so

It’s OK for attorneys acting as Guardian Ad Litems (GALS ) to lie thru their teeth, conspire and show outright prejudice for the emotionally challenged, even when they are on the board of directors for the local mental health center. It’s OK for them to take on a mantle of second defense council for one party, rather than being the independent unbiased liaison for the children that they were appointed to be.

It’s OK for the attorney writing the court order to put “the parties agree” when no-one has agreed to anything

It’s OK for one attorney to forge another attorney’s name on a continuance agreement document, even if he gets the wrong attorney down there, just so that space is not left blank

Its OK that one child just suffered one beating with a belt because he only made A/B honor roll instead of straight As. Its OK that he doesn’t talk much anymore, that he stays doubled over with stomach pain and vomits far too frequently

Posted on December 11, 2007 11:21 PM

http://blog.news-record.com/opinion/letters/archives/2008/07/justice_system_really_fails_in.shtml

jobo1163 [TypeKey Profile Page] said:

rb2dye sounds to me like a mother who will never give up fighting for her child that she considers to be in harms way. you go girl!

I can’t imagine people so cold and unfeeling as to attack this woman for her very passionate writings.

The story leaves no doubt to the reader that this woman has been thru terrible tragedy and fears for her child to this day.

If I could not comprehend it, I would just keep on moving on, instead of stopping to put a few more slugs in this already very distraught mother.

I believe everything she says because , yes I have been there in the Guilford County Child Custody Court

And 22 years from now, I too, like rb2dye will still be plugging away at the injustice there.

There will be no rest until those children are back safe and sound at home like they were before the Guilford Judicial System started playing games with their lives

Try to find an attorney outside of Guilford County to represent you there. Tell them money is no object, you’ll pay anything.

You will probably walk away without an attorney.

Because and I semi quote “they will help you with any other matter but they will not go into Guilford County Domestic Court because of the way they do things there.

Wonder why that is? Shouldn’t all the courts be following the same program?

They enter exparte orders against you, and refuse to allow you a 10 day hearing.
They play you like a violin, until they destroy you both emotionally and financially.

And every appeal for help (in my case) rendered punishment after punishment

I can show you court documents with forged signatures, documents in the file with no stamp on them, straight up lies in court documents signed as truth by an attorney

None of that matters.

My grandsons are now 14 and 15. They have been forced to live with alcoholics they barely knew because of Judge Joe Turner’s assumptions and personal prejudices.

They await the day they can come home. They have asked the court and it’s officers to let them come home.

They have been beaten , they have been sexually abused, they are made to fetch the alcohol and pour it , it makes me sick.

But I have been warned by Judge Teresa Vincent that if I open my mouth again, I will not be allowed to see the children again and neither will their mother.

I am blamed for their discontent.

Judge Teresa has fined me nearly $3,000 for bringing these matters to the court’s attention.

Judge Teresa Vincent even had these boys picked up from school and brought in and they told her these things, she ordered it stopped. It is in writing in a court order and then made me pay their attorney fees. She did not even tell me why. She just put it in the court order.

When Attorney Keith Black jumped up and said I had brainwashed the boys. Judge Teresa Vincent said she knew how to question children and that was not the case. Yet she fined me for “undermining the court”

My husband is former Deputy US Marshall. He guarded Judge Sirika during the Watergate trials. His recently deceased father was a DC police officer who was in Kennedy’s funeral procession. His cousin is a Brigadeer General.
His brother is retired air force.
My brother-in-law is a Christian music writer and singer
wwww.kennycartermusic.com

My husband’s family are the epitomy of fine examples that these boys were being exposed to . Yet Judge Joe Turner said “You women just can’t give little boys what they need”

Forgetting the insult to women in general,
what about all these fine upstanding men in our family?

This is how our family is treated after all this service to their country?

It is a money making racket, it is a national epidemic

here read it from the pros…

FROM THE WEB SITE

www.unitedforjustice.com

“United for Justice was formed in the realization that some mothers who lose their children in family law courts do so as the result of fraud – where bribes and favors have been exchanged. For these protective parents no price is too great to pay for their children’s safety. The result of that is almost always dire financial circumstances during prolonged custody litigation – which has in many cases already been irreversibly pre-determined. The protective parent is locked into poverty as life savings of even extended family is depleted. This impoverishment born of fraud must cease.”

FROM THE WEB SITE

www.justiceforchildren.org

“To raise the consciousness of our society about the failure of our governmental agencies to protect victims of child abuse, to provide legal advocacy for abused children and to develop and implement collaborative solutions to enhance the quality of life for these children.”

FROM THE WEB SITE

www.batteredmotherscustodyconference.org

“Since batterers know that nothing will devastate the victim more than seeing her children endangered, they frequently use the threat of obtaining custody to exact agreements to their liking. Custody litigation becomes yet another weapon for the abuser, heightening his power and control tactics to further terrify the victim”                                                                                            Posted on July 30, 2008 10:12 PM 

http://blog.news-record.com/opinion/letters/archives/2008/05/there_are_multiple_victims_in.shtml

jobo1163 [TypeKey Profile Page] said:

Mr. Tote,
I applaud your sentiment. I long to be a mental health advocate. i wish had the resources to do something to help these folks.

Somehow, someway, we must have officials in position that make these decisions be educated
in the mental health field. (or at least knowledgeable and understanding.)

We must have separate courts for those with mental health issues.

We must stop Judges from acting on their very own prejudices in these cases.

I feel very strongly that someone needs to take a look at medications paid for by medicaid and for what illnesses they are being dispensed for.

I think a lot of our mental health issues lie with improper and overmedication. I don’t know what the answer is.

I think there is a strong link between the fast flowing Vikodon, hydracdone, Oxycodone, legalized Methadone,and our mental health issues. I almost think if those meds were banned except for major surgerical relief, a lot of our mental heath issues would be appeased.

A lot of stealing would stop. Food Stamps would be used to buy food.

I also think that the Guilford County Judicial system can take a lot of credit for pushing people over the edge .

I will not go into that here.
I am willing to share all that probably should remain personal to let the Guilford County public have a look inside that court system..

you can read the entire story and view the results on these sites if you are interested

www.helium.com/items/561961-happen-americabut-begin-article
www.theycryfor justice.wordpress.com
www.helium.com/items/622152-article-below-experiences-reflects

www.myspace.com/jobo1163-
this is short term only- .

someone has to stop these Judges..

When you are forced, into Guilford County Court with Judge Joe Turner or Judge Teresa Vincent presiding, if you walk away WITHOUT mental health issues of your own, consider yourself lucky.

If you already have them I recommend you request a change of venue.
“spanking is worse than calling”

The following is a Counterpoint:
By Dan Gerlach

Your recent editorial, “The governor’s budget” (May 15), was disappointing and misguided.

jobo1163 [TypeKey Profile Page] said:

“These arguments reflect a lack of understanding and knowledge of how our state works.”

a bit off the subject, but relevant none the less, since we are discussing children and mental health issues both are who affected by the following…

so, rather than reflect a lack of knowledge and understanding, while we have Mr. Gerlach’s attention, I’d like to ask…

When the State of North Carolina gives one of these under privleged families “aid” (“welfare”)
in the form of an AFDC check (aid for families with dependent children)
and then confiscates any child support monies paid in by an absentee parent….

just say…
if the amount of support paid to the State by the absentee parent exceeds the amount of aid given by the State…what happens to the excess?

ie..simplified example…single Mom gets $200 monthly state check..
absentee Father sends in $800 in child support

what does the State do with the other $600?

 

jobo1163 [TypeKey Profile Page] said:

one more tidbit…

for clearer understanding and knowledge..

Is the State of North Carolina in compliance with the Federal Laws mandating that child support distribution?

jobo1163 [TypeKey Profile Page] said:

“Third, launch a major effort to bring role models, especially male role models, into the lives of our city’s youths. We try to collect child support from irresponsible dads. Let’s also help those same dads when they are denied access to their sons and let’s encourage dads to want access”

Sounds like Judge Joe Turner’s theory in child custody court,

the keywords are male role models, irresponsible and help those same dads,encourage those dads

hello, do you hear yourself?

you should read my blog, just click my user name….
-the links on the left on imperitive to complete understanding

I’m not black, but I’m sure it’s happened to blacks as well as whites in the “No Civil Rights”
Guilford County Courts

and you tell me, when those two boys grow up and fully understand what happened…well maybe they’ll be OK , cause Grandma is teaching them with every breath..not to hate..and that God is in control…

but if those boys explode..whose fault will it be?

read the blog and answer..whose fault would it be ?

and the Guilford County School system for allowing a predominently black school like Rankin Elementary to be so far behind in their curriculum, that two little boys couldn’t go a few miles away to a better place in the country and hold their own at Level Cross Elementary.

Immediately placed back a year and that’s grounds for losing your kids in Judge Teresa Vincent’s book. That is an indication of unstable family life…

here’s the complete article..
http://www.helium.com/items/570885-should-america-abandon-racial-integration-in-public-schools

The Courts, the lawyers, it’s all a money making gimmick for them and they could care less what they do these children..they even steal that child support money once they finally catch up with those dads..and let those children be evicted from their homes

http://www.helium.com/items/561961-critique-of-americas-justice-system
the system is as guilty for our wayward youth, black kids lagging behind,
and those angry explosive incidents as anyone else

like the one writer said said to RB2dye- he’d have called on Smith & Wesson if Guilford County had put his child through what she says hers has been through.

One has to have much self restraint, more than a child could have possibly cumed up in so few years

Get rid of all the corrupt NC officials and give a kids a fighting chance

Make Guilford County courts follow the law..not rule by Judge Joe Turner’s personal opinions, bias’ and assumptions- “Litigation from the bench” both presidential candidates promise to stop it

Impeach Michael Easley and recoup that money he just blew by saving that six months of his salary- we wouldn’t miss him..

his wife is making enough money now to take care of both of them-since the State gave her an 80% raise

replace Attorney General Roy Cooper for allowing all this corruption while he was too busy dealing with “bothersome telemarketers”

and Bev Perdue ..what is her stand in all this? where has she been while Richard Moore was supposedly robbing us blind and as Lt. Governor why didn’t she address it then?

Posted on July 14, 2008 10:56 PM

 

 



OPEN LETTER TO NORTH CAROLINA/GUILFORD COUNTY

Open Letter to all North Carolina Representatives, Politicians, Judges, Attorneys

Special attention North Carolina Governor Mike Easley, North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper, Guilford County Chief Justice Judge Joe Turner,

Guilford County Judge Teresa Vincent, Attorney Kathryn Lindley (Lindley Law Firm)

Attorney T. Keith Black (Forman, Rossabi, and Black)

Attorney Cindy Hatfield (Hatfield and Hatfield)

 Dept. of Health an d Human Services-Civil Rights Division-Atlanta Georgia

North Carolina Watchdog

North Carolina Judicial Standards Committee

North Carolina Law Board

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have written a few blogs, articles, and memos, referenced below. I suppose some folks think me obsessed, overly emotional, irrational.

I may be.

 

 

 

 

 

Why am I so upset, so outraged, so depressed, so stunned, astonished and demanding that someone hear this and pay attention?

 

 

Because it is wrong. It’s just wrong.

 

The content of this blog is my perspective, as Judge Fox said-”there are other ways to express your First Ammendment right.” This is mine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believed in you people. I trusted each and every one of you to do the job you took the oath to do. I suppose you could call me gullible, simple, maybe even naïve. But I believed in you.

 

 

 

 

 

My parents used to say I looked at the world and life through rose-colored glasses. I wore an almost permanent smile and tried to be the beacon for God that we all are supposed to be.I didn’t know about a lot of bad things, partly because I

didn’t want to know, I suppose, but mostly because those things did not penetrate my world. There was not room in my world for those things.

 

 

 

 

My world consisted of hard work and family. Trying to keep us above water during

recessions and hard time. Trying to instill virtue, honor and integrity into the hearts and minds of those that God delegated me responsible for.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many a time I have seen children not being cared for properly, their parents addicted to substances that kept them from being the parents they should be.  Often I would wonder, where is their extended family? WHERE ARE THEIR GRANDPARENTS?

 

 

 

Sometimes I would chance to meet some of these people I wondered about. I would ask them why they were not involved. The answer was always the same.. They did not want to become “tied up in that system” the court system, social services, etc..

That saddened me, it angered me, and I would think “What a Cop-out.”  I was wrong.

To all of you who I thought were copping out on your families, I am sorry.  One has to be made of steel to get “tied up that system” and one must have a never-ending money source.   

Tracy King with the Guilford County Child protective Services told me “ never lose focus, your primary objective is to reunite this family” We were almost there with a few bumps in the road, til J and M P came into our lives. They destroyed everything I had built. I’m still struggling with the why. They destroyed another human being emotionally to attain their end and the Guilford County Court stood behind them. Maybe in the courtroom it wasn’t that clear. But Attorney Kathryn Lindley knew. Attorney Kathryn Lindley knew the whole story.

So why didn’t she report it correctly? Creative writing is not her strong point either.

 

To destroy another human being emotionally so that you can have her children, should be a crime somewhere next to murder. Aiding and abetting in that destruction by a public servant should be even worse. How does a Guardian Ad Litem think she is “helping children by helping to destroy their mother?”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even upon hearing the stories, the tales of woe..I just didn’t believe it. Our government officials corrupt? All of them? Running our lives and our communities and our worlds solely based on what would put the most money in their own pockets?

 

 

 

NO! These government people were special people that God alone had appointed to look after the best interests of the public. They would not sink so low.

 

I’m sure there are a few good ones out there, you must be outnumbered. Please don’t give up , don’t sucuumb to keep your job.

 

 

 

 

 

Even when Deputy Attorney General Gerald Robbins hurled at me what I deemed to be a horrible threat regarding my grandchildren, I shook it off. .I  trusted him even as he stood there before me tearing apart my testimony and he had to know he was wrong..

When Judge Sammie Chess, (I believe he would be a great leader), when Judge Chess told Deputy Attorney General Gerald Robbins that I was right and he knew it..when he said The State of North Carolina Has A Conscience, I just knew everything would be OK and fixed right away. Gullible me.

Even when Attorney Cindy Hatfield told me straight up I had been railroaded before court. I tried to get her to explain that, she eluded the explanation. I didn’t believe her anyway. I went to court somewhat disillusioned, head spinning, mind reeling. but deep down I believed in our justice system, Judge Joe Turner would see how hard I worked, he would be able to tell I was totally honest and truthful…he would know..

 

 

 

 

 

And who could have possibly railroaded me except Deputy Attorney General Gerald Robbins. And come on girl that was just absurd. He was an honorable, trustworthy government official appointed to look after my very own interests, me being one of the public and all. Gullible me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believed judges had exhibited some kind of special insight and perception in order to be a judge and those things they said crushed me. I believed they had to have exhibited some extraordinary ability of sorting the facts from fiction during testimony.

I believed State Supreme Court Chief Justice I. Beverly Lake had seen something special in Judge Joe Turner or she would not have appointed him, (now I wonder about her.)

 

 

 

 

When Attorney T. Keith Black was questioning me in what I considered to be an unnecessarily harsh and intimidating manner, I glanced sideways at Judge Joe Turner, who sat there with his glasses perched on his nose, looking over them in such a manner, that  made him look quite distinguished. I was comforted with the thought; he’s not going to fall for that. He can tell the good from the bad. Boy was I ever wrong.

 At the end of the trial, as Judge Joe Turner praised me for 12 years of rearing grandchildren, I knew I had been right about him, then suddenly he said “BUT” and then the You Women Just Can’t”… my head started reeling…. I could not focus. I was waiting for Attorney Cindy Hatfield to interject and she did nothing. except whisper to me, “Well he’s never seen you on a bulldozer” I thought I was going to pass out then and there.   

Judge Joe Turner also said we were the most dysfunctional group that had ever been in his courtroom. Wow! That’s heavy. I work 2 jobs for 20 years, raise three children that aren’t mine and Judge Joe Turner calls me the most dysfunctional ever to grace his courtroom. That hurt, that hurt a lot. Do these judges not have the sense to know what kind of damage they inflict on people with those cruel terminologies?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obviously Judge Joe Turner has just massively misunderstood everything. Later at the visitation hearing I was able to make him aware that the man he had just awarded custody to James Monroe Peele) Jimmy Peele) was an absentee father, that he had ran from his own child support for years. That F S, one child’s father, who was testifying against me, was $8000 in arrears on his child support. That was the only reason F S Sr. would come to court I felt sure, if he had found a way to get out of that dreaded child support. $59 a week will buy a lot of beer and tattoos.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Judge Joe Turner did realize all these things at the hearing to determine what visitation I would now be allowed with these children I had looked after for 12 years. He was very visibly upset and he gave me much visitation. I kept waiting for him to do the right thing, say he had been misled and reverse his decision. Gullible me.

 

 

 

 

 

 For weeks after, I watched my mail for the letter from Judge Joe Turner saying he had made a mistake, “Go Get Your Babies, Ms. Logan” Gullible me.  I still believed Judge Joe Turner had made a horrible mistake and he would now correct it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Things went from bad to worse. I heard that J P’s wife M P was quite the alcoholic. I heard that, J P assaulted M P in their presence, cursed them daily, took the Lord’s name in vain everyday.

Apparently M P did not like little B. I heard, M P inflicted unreasonable punishments on poor little B everyday. A child already traumatized by the huge mistake Judge Joe Turner made in stripping him from his family for all the wrong reasons, now tormented and tortured by the alcoholic wife of his legal custodian J P

 

 

 

 

 

Somehow the Judge had to be made aware of the suffering these children were enduring. It’s hard to get everything said in a courtroom. Attorney Steve Crihfield suggested that psychological evaluation for everyone would tell the truth. Would I be willing to pay the costs, about $2400? Yes, I would. I was sure an evaluation would show J P and M P to be psychopaths. I waited a couple of months, the order never came.

Attorney Steve Crihfield then suggested that a Guardian Ad Litem for the children

was the answer. Weeks went by, paperwork flying, but no help for the children. 

 

   

Finally, I believed God had answered our pleas. Attorney Kathryn Lindley was appointed Guardian Ad Litem for the two boys by Judge Linda Falls.

 Now I admired Judge Linda Falls. She had unseated one judge who she accused of settling cases in his chambers rather than in the courtroom. Judge Linda Falls must be the feisty one and for the public, to have revealed that. I was disappointed that she had appointed the Guardian Ad Litem for only two of the children and ignored that these boys had a sister, but Attorney Steve Crihfield said that’s just the way it was.

It really concerned me that opposing counsel Attorney T. Keith Black had written the order and he had written it that way. Why was opposing counsel writing the order for my motion.? I didn’t think it worked that way. But at least now, the boys could be heard.

 

  

I’m not sure what the boys told Attorney Kathryn Lindley, but things got real hairy really fast. 

Another emergengy order was entered against me costing me my summer weeks with the children.

 

 

When my husband, who is a former Deputy U.S. Marshall, visited Attorney Kathryn Lindley, he came home and told me to hang it up, it was a done deal and she was supporting J and M no matter what she heard. I did not believe him. She is a licensed attorney, she had to be honest, I was paying her $150 an hour to listen to everyone.  Gullible me.

 

 

 

 

 

When I read Attorney Kathryn Lindley’s GAL report, I slumped against the wall. I dropped on my knees on the floor. Had she spoken the truth and judged me this way with truthful content in the report, I maybe could have handled that. But here was a court document so full of untruths, misconceptions, malicious twistings, and straight up lies,

produced and signed by a public servant Attorney Kathryn Lindley. I was absolutely floored. I may have had my first mild heart attack right then.

 

  

I believed in Judge Teresa Vincent , I believed it when I read how she had overcome the obstacles, with hard work and diligence. I believed Judge Teresa Vincent’s epilogue to the students of A&T University, Greensboro North Carolina had merit and would be a valuable inspiration. I might should not put this in writing, but what the heck. I also believed that this black lady’s natural instinct for children would be appalled at what these boys were being subjected under the roof of M and J P

You know, black women just seem to have this fierce kind of protection for children, that is not limited to their own, not limited to just black children, but wraps it arms around all children and says “you’ll have to go threw me, man, if you wanna hurt this baby.” I’ve seen it so many times. I’ve felt it as a child.  Judge Teresa Vincent must have lost this instinct in her zeal to remain on that bench.     

In court when the other parties testified, Judge Teresa Vincent made no effort to hide her astonishment at the brazen way they lied under oath on the witness stand. The expressions on Judge Teresa Vincent’s face would put Judge Judy and Judge Mathis to shame at attempts to be funny. In another setting Judge Teresa Vincent’s reaction to this testimony would have been very comical. I wish I had a video of it. Maybe there is one somewhere? Anybody know how to get it?

 

  

When B L’s (dad # 2) testimony did not match what he was reported to have said by Guardian Ad Litem, Attorney Kathryn Lindley, Judge Teresa Vincent had to know somebody was lying.. When he testified that he did not want his son, she had to know.

 I was told later by another attorney that Judge Teresa Vincent was saddened by the fact that these men did not want their sons.

Why didn’t she give them back to me? Why didn’t she send these babies home? She should have known by the end of their testimony that both fathers had been paid off, relieved of their child support, in exchange for their presence in that courtroom. Judge Teresa Vincent should have known that these men had “sold their sons”, that J P had “bought their sons” She must have known because at the end, Judge Teresa Vincent suggested Superior Court was the place for this case. Why did Judge Teresa Vincent not send the case to Superior Court if she knew all these crimes had been committed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At the end I actually believed a little bit in Attorney T. Keith Black.

When Attorney T. Keith Black began his closing, he said, “This is one of those cases that wakes you up in the night, I know it has me. It’s your call, your honor, it’s your call.”  I teared up, he knew his clients had pulled a fast one even on him, I was thinking. Then like a demon possessed he whirled around and starting attacking me as I had come to expect from him. I reckon because it occurred to him that his client was broke and somehow he had to make me pay his fees as well as my own, and if he lost this case his client surely would not pay him. How could he account to Forman, Rossabi, and Black for all those lost billable hours? The children be damned, he had to be paid. I suppose.

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Judge Teresa Vincent did not render her verdict that day, she did not do it publicly in the courtroom, as one would expect at all. She ordered J and M P to stop the abusive behavior; she told them that one of them should try to remain sober in case the house catches on fire.

 

  

Judge Teresa Vincent told me that even though I was ordered by the court to go to the Children of Divorce Class and even though they tell you to answer the children’s questions as openly and honestly as possible, that that did not mean you could do it and violate a court order.

Talk about contradicting analogies, good grief, what is a person to do?

 

 

And last but most assuredly not least, Judge Teresa Vincent ripped my heart from my chest as she finished  off this emotionally challenged Mom’s already fragile mind. With 7 simple words ” You will never have your children again.”

Good Lord! What was Judge Teresa Vincent thinking as those killer words left her lips? She may has well have put a gun to the Mom’s head and pulled the trigger, for assuredly, she finished her off with that statement.  I believe Judge Teresa Vincent finished the destruction of this human being that her own father started, that Attorney Kathryn Lindley endorsed.

 

Again, do these judges not have the sense to know what kind of emotional damage they inflict on the people in their courts with these cruel unnecessary damaging statements?

 

 

I did not need you, Judge Turner or Judge Vincent to avenge me for Mom’s role in this. When asked, “how do you live with that kind of betrayal?” I answer, “right now it is not about me.”, it’s about three children . Right now it’s about ensuring that they have a relationship with their Mom. I am not Gullible on Mom’s behalf. I am patient for the children’s sake.

 

 

 

A lesson in Parental Alienation Syndrome. Quite often, when Parental Alienation is absent, the absentee parent is idolized by the child. The absentee parent is placed on a pedestal in the child’s mind, along with an incessant desire to have a relationship with that parent. Some children will go to any lengths to secure that relationship, including turning on the parent that  was there for them and blaming them for the lost parent.  When securing that relationship also brings with it a promise to regain full custody of your children, well, that’s just too irresistible to pass up. Most parents that do not have custody of their children think they were good parents and this should not have happened to begin with.  The parental bond  and any loyalty to their own parent can be severed in a second if you really believe you are fighting for your children.

While I don’t condone it, I understand it. How do you live with kind of betrayal? You just do, because it’s not about you, it’s about the children.

 

 

 

 

Judge Teresa Vincent did not extend the common courtesy of telling me face to face that I had to pay Attorney T. Keith Black and Attorney Kathryn Lindley an additional nearly $3000, She did not have the courage to face me and tell me exactly HOW I came to court with “unclean hands” or HOW I undermined the court. I think I have figured out what “establishing factors to justify a change means”  I had an attorney, I paid $14,000. How did I do all this wrong stuff? I do not put her name in this blog, because a small part of me still hopes that she was straight up and did not sucuum.

 

 

 

 

My husband the former Deputy U.S. Marshall said that was one Severe Civil Penalty.

 

 

 

 

When after 2 months the order was finally done and I received my copy of it, the rose-colored glasses came off permanently. I should say they were ripped off, shattered into small splintering fragments, that pierced every fiber of my being. I felt every nerve in my body sever. I felt my heart bursting. My tongue split open and blood actually ran down my throat. Everybody was right, I thought, they are  corrupt and Judge Teresa Vincent was no exception.. The world as I knew it did not exist. There is no hope for my babies. I cracked up. I mean I cracked up.

 

 

 

I managed to drag myself into work each day, some days I spent the whole day in the bathroom praying, some days I’d look at the clock and the day would be done and I had not moved at all.
I could not wait to get out of there and get home and crawl in bed. My chest hurt so much, I’d hold a pillow on it and beg God for just 2 minutes of relief.


I was a bad person. I wrote notes everywhere saying I’m sorry to everybody. I came thru the house saying I’m sorry Mike, I’m sorry T, and I’m sorry J L. I told the boys I was sorry. I told the grandpa and his wife I was I was sorry and ate Thanksgiving dinner with them. I probably said I’m sorry 5000 times.T begged to me get out of bed, and sometimes being the teenage girl she was she wasn’t real gentle about it. 
 

 


 I felt so guilty, she had lost her brothers. She doesn’t know her dad, and this whole mess completely destroyed what was left of her mother. I felt so guilty all the time but I couldn’t make myself get out of that bed. My husband said, “Joyce, you can’t just lay down and die. I’ve been there and that is not the answer.” I wanted to die. I begged God to let me die so they could collect the insurance and pay all those bills I’d run up. 
 

 

 I did not sleep for 6 days straight.My sister finally persuaded me to take a sedative. I slept like a log, but then I panicked because I was afraid I would get drug tested at work and on Monday morning I ran out of my office and I ran into the doctor’s office, and for the first time I cried, I blurted out to the doctor that I was a bad a person and I had hurt everybody. I showed her the court order and she was furious. For the first time in my life I went on medication to help me emotionally.  

 The Pastor at church told me it would be Ok, that God had spoken to him and told him “there will be Justice for those children.” At 2am I ran out of the house into the yard and fell on my knees and asked God, was the Justice for the children seeing their grandma, the strength in their life, broken and destroyed. was the justice losing the inheritance Grandma had worked two jobs for 20 years to build for them.I went in the house and told my husband about the $20,000 in credit cards. His eyes opened real wide, he said “that’s exorbitant, you don’t pay that kind of money for a criminal murder trial.” The next day he went the bank and consolidated the credit cards into a second mortgage. I got a job at the gas station down the street and I work just enough to pay off that loan. Thank-You Wanda at Murphy.

I decided to file a complaint with the North Carolina Law Board. While I was still quite stressed, I wrote them a lengthy letter.  I received back pamphlets and instructions telling how to officially file .The instructions themselves  almost stop you in your tracks. But these things were wrong, I knew that. I was sure the North Carolina Law Board would be shocked and dismayed to see what these Guilford County Attorneys were up to. It took me months to complete all the filing, staying up all night typing while working two jobs.

 

 

 

 

The Judicial Standards Committee for North Carolina was much more difficult to locate.

I was very pleased when their contact info came in the info package from the North Carolina Law Board. I sent them the same letter. I knew the Judicial Standards Committee would be appalled at all I presented, especially that these children were being sexually abused and no one did a thing about it. 

 

 

 

The Judicial Standards Committee responded very quickly telling me they would review my letter. They responded back just as quickly to tell me that there was insufficient

factual basis and they were closing the complaint. As with the North Carolina Law Board, I re-filed officially this time and spent weeks compiling the factual basis they needed. Still they responded back that the complaint did not present sufficient evidence of judicial misconduct that would be the basis for a preliminary investigation.

 

 

 

 

One by one the responses came from the North Carolina Law Board. “There is insufficient evidence that the attorney violated the Rules of Professional Conduct to the extent that the attorney should be disciplined.”

 

 

All I will say is this…someone asked me…did you really expect to get any help from the Judicial System Mafia?”  Gullible me.

 

 

I will end with this..It might not be really a short ending.

 

During my struggles, before I cracked up, I tried to ready the Bible all the way thru.

 

 

“Where the Word of God abounds, evil cannot abide.”

 

 

 

 

I used the Audio Bible Online with narration. It was so much more easily understood that way.

 

 

 

 

I’m afraid though, that I not only questioned God’s actions sometimes, I was scared by the severity of the punishments he rendered. The multitudes he took out with a wave of the hand for disobedience, angered by their grumblings and ingratitude.

 

 

 

Then I recalled how it felt to be disrespected by your children. How easily they can make you turn on a dime. Such a small thing in comparison to this type of disobedience.

 

 

 

 

I mentioned my musings to someone in the Clergy. He said, “You need a lesson in the sovereign power of God.”  I have asked him never to confess that on me again. I hope I learned from it. I do not want to be taught it again. It is hard lesson, but invaluable.

 

 

 

I have come to realize that God’s big hand is in control of everything.  I can understand how his wrath might be kindled at all the corruption. I personally have only witnessed a fragment of it. I have searched the Internet and apparently it is everywhere. It’s not just my family that this happened to.

 

 

 

 

 

I was in the courthouse  on 9-11. A lady was suing me for a bump up in the daycare parking lot where I had taken my three grandchildren after delivering newspapers one morning and on my way to my next job.

I couldn’t swear to it..But I believe Judge Joe Turner was the judge in that case also. I remember the clerk came back in from break and she was crying, everyone was astir in that courtroom. The judge announced what had just transpired and everyone was upset and court was adjourned for the day.

 

 

 

 

Only this week it occurred to me the similarity in occurrences such as these and the punishments rendered in the Old Testament for disobedience.

 

 

 

 

When you look in the mirror today and you are appalled at happenings such as these,

and angry children who get out of control and rebellious, ask yourself, did I cause that by my disobedience?

Are you responsible for any or all of this?

 

When you see your clerk crying, can you assure her that she is not at risk because you have been obedient, or will you warn her that your actions could cause the wrath of the God to come upon her while he is punishing you, just because she is there, and God must deal with the bigger picture and his infinite plan. Lives he created, lives he can take, or allow it.

 

  

You often hear people questioning why God allowed this suffering or that. Why the innocents? Why? Why? Why?

 

 

 

Oh say, does that star spangled banner yet wave..oer’ the land of the free and the home of the brave..

 

 

May God Bless and  keep each and everyone of you, may you read this and drop to your knees, not in a breakdown like I did, but in humble submission and true remorse to God Almighty, Lord and Savior. THE FINAL JUDGE in whose footsteps you plead to follow.